Shelby Harris, Ryan Harris & Chris Harris Jr unpack a wild Week 13 — from the Jauan Jennings trash-talk controversy with Shelby and the Browns to Denver’s dramatic overtime win. Plus AFC North races, Von vs. the Broncos, and Lane Kiffin’s shocking LSU jump.
Another wild week across the NFL. Shelby Harris, Chris Harris Jr. and Ryan Harris break down everything from Week 13, starting with the heated Browns–49ers confrontation and the trash talk that went too far from Jauan Jennings. The guys revisit Denver’s gritty overtime win in Washington, Bo Nix’s clutch throws, Nik Bonitto’s game-saving play, and what it was like seeing Von Miller go against the Broncos again. They also dig into the AFC North race, Cleveland’s playoff push, pressure on the Steelers and Ravens, and the Bengals’ late-season surge. Plus, Lane Kiffin’s decision to leave Ole Miss for LSU sparks a big debate on coaching vs. player loyalty in today’s college football landscape. Like and subscribe for more weekly breakdowns from We’re the Harrises.
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Ryan Harris
Welcome to where the Harrises. We got superstar Chris Harris Jr and oh, by the way, he won a Super Bowl with me Ryan Harris, one of your hosts. And then we have the superstar and current player Shelby Harris. Boys week 13 was nuts. We have the Broncos with a monumental overtime win. The bills with a dominant performance. But we are going to start with the mayhem of the Browns versus the 40 Niners.
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Ryan Harris
Shelby Harris the floor is yours. You and you won. Jennings had a bit of, offline communication. So you can say, well.
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Shelby Harris
You can say that. You know, I think the biggest thing that happened from that is multiple people in that instance, you know, had a couple issues with some of the things that he was saying. And for me, I don't I don't care about trash talk. You can say whatever the hell you want to. You know what I mean?
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Shelby Harris
But usually usually, you know, when you, when you, when we inside the, you know, those white lines. You know, people's families, people wise people's children are off limits. Yeah. You know, to me, most of the time people will stray away from that. And I don't care. You can say whatever you want, but the minute you bring up a man's family, bring him a man's wife, bring home a man's kids, bring up any type of sexually explicit thing when it comes to a man's wife and family.
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Shelby Harris
You know, we got a problem because the way I look at that stuff is you only can say that on the football field, because if I retaliate, I lose money, right? If I do anything about that, my team gets punished. But if you do that on the street, I'll smack the shit out of you, you know? And that's the truth about it is, is if that was on the street, it would be people would handle it.
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Shelby Harris
And I think that's kind of the issue we have in the social, social media days is people aren't used to being smacked in the mouth. And I'm just saying like, it's just some say this is unacceptable to say when it comes to people's families. And like I said before it, if that's how you got to get it, then fine, but then you gotta deal with the repercussions that come with that.
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Shelby Harris
But it's just, like I said before though, it's just you can't you don't bring up people's families. You don't bring up people's kids. It's it's something it's an unwritten rule in sports. We accept all the trash talk, but, you know, leave people out, leave people's families and stuff out of it.
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Ryan Harris
My first issue with that is that you got a receiver talking trash. And I can count in my ten year NFL career, probably three receivers could back up what they were saying. And any time a receiver is talking trash, I'm telling you, linemen get back to the holes like, hey man, stop that. I remember Ryan. He said it to Brandon Marshall.
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Ryan Harris
What time? Because he was getting, Jerry Porter all worked up. Hey. Right. Plays like, hey.
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Chris Harris Jr
Man.
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Ryan Harris
You're not going against this guy. So just the premise, the fact that a receiver is talking trash, that alone is borderline unacceptable, especially to, defensive linemen, things like that. But any kind of sexual, explicit comment about anybody's family is completely off limits. And let's be clear, there's a whole lot you can talk about in trash talk in the NFL.
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Ryan Harris
Even more than college now. But you don't do that. I mean, that's egregious.
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Chris Harris Jr
Right? And I, I mean, I was probably a big trash talker out there, but there's certain limits that you can't cross. And, I definitely had teammates that caused those limits, you know, saying they would eat, their they want to eat their parents or eat, a guy's children and things like that. You know, we've had so some X-rated stuff going on.
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Chris Harris Jr
I've been spit in the face out there. A lot of things have happened out there on the football field, but at the end of the day, I've always tried to keep my trash talking with toy receivers, quarterbacks, and maybe a little bit, the running backs. Right? You know, if I hit him, one bounces, I hit him real good.
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Chris Harris Jr
Then I might say something to him. But other than that, you know, I never really went to the old lineman. Never really went, deal. I was on my teams, cosign when they, when they talk their mess. But, you know, you just got to try to keep it within the game. Don't try to gain anything personal.
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Chris Harris Jr
I never took it that hard to make it that personal. I don't know, you know, in a football aspect. But it's part of the NFL. Anything can happen out there. Anything can be said. We see guys can spin, positive. And that's all types of stuff is happening out there. And, our job is right is to police it.
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Chris Harris Jr
I think Shelby's doing a good job as being a veteran in this league of, of trying to keep it clean out there on the field, and and that's kind of how we you we kind of police it, right? Hey, if you do something like this, we, you know, then the hands is like the next level. And, and that guy's always been a dirty, dirty guy.
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Chris Harris Jr
He's always been pretty much known as a blocker. A guy that does the dirty work for the 40 niners. And, and usually those guys usually are the ones that piss everybody off. Right. So I can understand what, Shelby, how you felt out there. It happens. And that's why they separate us in different tunnels and busses. Because they know it's going to be a fight right after the game.
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Shelby Harris
Man. But that's also why, you know, I was like, I can see why he got punched in the nuts. Because when you take it to that level, people will make you personal.
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Ryan Harris
Yeah.
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Shelby Harris
People will take it to that point and they will go attack you, punch you in the nuts. And that's why I even said I was surprised the right person to enjoy it, because people don't play about their families, people don't play about their kids, you know that. And that's the one thing that that's one line that people don't play about.
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Shelby Harris
So some people just don't. You don't cross that line with some people. My biggest I would say, I get it, I understand the trash talk. That's perfectly fine. But there's lines and it's we all, we all come in here, but we have we have to have a line to it. But, you know, some people don't. And the biggest thing is this is like, I'm not holding a grudge.
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Shelby Harris
I just wanted to call it out right there. Like I want to call like I don't play that like, that's not who I am and that's not what I stand for. And I'm gonna stand there like, that was wrong. Like, you need to chill that shit out. Like, that's that's really more of what it is, is I just don't accept that type of stuff.
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Shelby Harris
And I don't say this type of stuff from anyone, even around me, because we probably leave them out of that. They ain't got nothing to do with them. But also at that same time, one of my teammates is on the ground and just roll around in pain. Just got hurt. You can tells a serious injury and then you come over here innocently trying to start stuff.
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Shelby Harris
It's it's it's not a good look. You know, I got guys on the ground and you're over here trying to argue with us, like it's just let us worry about our man's real quick, you know? And and that's where you gotta understand that there's lines. It is. That's not the time or the place for something like that.
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Ryan Harris
Well, and let's be clear, this is a receiver who has not gotten credit for making plays. Right. So this is what we can't watch it.
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Shelby Harris
He didn't catch a touchdown passing us 810.
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Ryan Harris
And that's the worst thing.
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Shelby Harris
He caught a touchdown pass at the end of the game. You know I was like let's play. Let's be honest about it. He did. He did do something because he did catch a touchdown pass. Good for him. But no matter what that's that's type of stuff isn't excusable.
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Ryan Harris
Well and that's what happened. You behave like that. That gets lost in the in the headlines. Right. Because that one touchdown doesn't doesn't amount to the amount of stuff that now his teammates are getting questions from his family. What he say what's going to happen. And we all know now the book is out on Jennings. He's going to have to play five more games now right.
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Ryan Harris
He's playing against he's going to be playing against other NFL guys. And I can tell you right now, if I was on a defensive line squad and you knew that about him, hey, you better get your armor on and be ready. And now the fuze is going to get lit quick with that with Jennings, if he says the wrong word and it might be allowable trash talk.
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Ryan Harris
But now he's got no rope, right? He's going to get taken care of by the rest of the players in the NFL.
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Chris Harris Jr
Yeah. It was funny, though. Your interview was definitely funny. Man. I never got a good laugh at it. I think you went viral. I wouldn't be surprised if we see all the 40 Niners fans in the chat. You know, talking bears.
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Shelby Harris
He's a ho. And I want that known. Like I see why he got punched in the nuts because that seems like he said some things that you should not say to another man ever. But like I don't respect it because you say that didn't run behind your O-line. That's some real soft shit. And I want that. No, I see exactly why they punch units.
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Shelby Harris
I'm surprised nobody punched them in a giant.
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Chris Harris Jr
Oh, and I know, I know a lot of that, of course, is losing the game. Right. How do you think? You know, I think y'all lost because, you know, you killed yourself, you know, special team 100%. Definitely let y'all down this way, but how do you think, the team can bounce back from this, going on for for us.
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Shelby Harris
We really got to start playing complementary football again. We gotta help every other phase out. We gotta stop setting ourselves back. You know? We gotta stop with the turnovers. And, you know, we got to be able to convert fourth and ones that gotta be 106 success rate. Like what type of message does that send to the defense when you stop them on fourth and one it's like, oh yeah, we got them.
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Shelby Harris
Boys were good all day and night. So we are on offense. We if we can convert those it automatically it sets. It tells the defense that it's going to be a long day on the reverse side. So, you know playing complementary football again. And like that was a big emphasis for us in middle of the season is trying to complement each other.
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Shelby Harris
And I think that's the biggest thing we need to do now is, is complement each other on on offense, run the ball, play action, do everything that's just to do our strengths right now. And then on defense, we just we're playing good, but we can always be better you know. And that's the thing the stand is and standard.
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Shelby Harris
But we can always be better than the standard. And we're going to keep going out there. And we got to go out there. If we got a hold on was here, we got to hold on to zero. We got a hold, we got to do whatever we need to do and the special teams, we got to just stop setting ourselves back, like I saying, which got stops.
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Shelby Harris
We got to stop setting ourselves back and we got to stop with these costly turnovers and, and our own territory. And we will be fine because in even midway through the third, at the end of the third, we still had a game against the 49. And we're going to we're going to have a formidable foe this week against the Titans.
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Shelby Harris
Like you can't sit there and look at people's records and judge them and think, that's what you're going to get. So we got another NFL team coming in here and the Cleveland and Titans. And we got to go out there and and dominate.
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Ryan Harris
Well one team that is dominating. Let's move to second down the Denver Broncos now move to ten and two on the season with an overtime win. With Nick Benito batting down the football. Bo Nix playing I think fantastic. Yes there's a little things you can clean up and that's part of football. What do you guys make of the Broncos big win?
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Chris Harris Jr
I thought it was a great win and went on the road. Sunday Night Football in Washington DC. You know it's going to be jumping up there even though they haven't had this the season. They won it. But it's still a huge game. And first place in a conference is that stay right there by that sustain.
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Chris Harris Jr
And you know you got to handle business. When you play teams like that, they're going to give you your best effort. And I think Bo went out there too for, 300 plus made some plays with his legs. Seeing that Bo Nix is leading the league in passing outside of the pocket. Right. That's means he's creating some plays.
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Chris Harris Jr
You know, I, I love what he's doing. And, this door right here where he's falling down on a corner. That was an impact play right there.
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Shelby Harris
Impressive, man.
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Chris Harris Jr
Yeah. Huge play. And that's. Those are the type of plays that that you're going to need in the playoffs. Yep. Right. It's it could be inches away from his knee touching that ground. Right. But we got to be able to make those throws and keep big plays. The defense plays. I wouldn't say this is the best effort, but they did enough to be able to win a game.
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Chris Harris Jr
They won it on defense. Great. You know, of course, you know, it's, two point conversion. What is Ghost Joseph going to do?
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Shelby Harris
Is he going to send it every time.
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Chris Harris Jr
You don't bring the house, man. That's what he did. And, betting on his guys and Benito, great awareness to be able to get his hands up because that was a touchdown. Tony wrote the best play. Great call by the, by the rest, commanders. OC but Benito saved the day. Man, that was a great play.
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Shelby Harris
Yeah, man. That Denver Bronco team to me showed resilience. So grit. It wasn't pretty by any means at all. But what we saw, though is Bo Nix found a way every time that that touchdown pass ball and fall into the ground like that, that right there just shows that they found a way. But the one thing we got to see, though, from the Broncos offense is should not take until the two and until the and into the last drive of the first half to get something going like that.
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Shelby Harris
They should they should need to be more consistent. The run game needs to be more consistent. They need to do more of hitting the consistent, the easy play. But that's what they want. Who cares? Like at this point all that stuff is fixable. I always hear all this talk about, oh, they're the worst you know two loss team out there.
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Shelby Harris
Hey, guess what. And I and we're going to say this week after week after week I'd rather be figuring this out with the record. The Broncos have been trying to figure this out with the record the Browns have. You know, when you're be able to figure this out, you're still like you're winning games. It's easier to figure things out where you're winning at least.
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Shelby Harris
And so the Broncos right there I think you know they played a good they did just enough. You know me against a man. And you know we keep hearing about this that this this this idea that the Broncos keep running into teams not at 100%, but that's the NFL. Everybody that's the NFL. It's just so happens the Broncos have running like a Houston C.J. Stroud got hurt right away.
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Shelby Harris
And then you have you know you're playing a Washington team with I mean without Jay Downs. But guess what. They're not the only ones that have to do that. And they went out there and got the win. So no matter what anyone says, it's a quality win for this Bronco team. And it's is another step to the top.
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Shelby Harris
They're just need to do the stacking. They're stacking wins over and over again. And somebody has to come out there and beat them. But they haven't yet.
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Ryan Harris
When the big thing for me is it's not going to look pretty all the time, and you have to be willing to pay attention through mistakes. And that's exactly what the Broncos did on offense and defense. First of all, shout out to Bobby Wagner. I mean a pick on a dig route on third and eight. He just let the guy go in front of him at six yards.
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Ryan Harris
I mean, I wish we could illustrate to people how hard that is to do to not bite on a route underneath because you know, it's going behind you. But that was in the fourth quarter, right? That's a tough time for a turnover. Now Bo Nix learns that right now he knows how he's going to face how linebackers are going to play him on down.
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Ryan Harris
And distance is what you're going to see that in the playoffs right. They're going to bait you into oh no I'm going to no I'm coming back here and I'm intercepting the ball. But you have to be willing to continue to perform. And I don't care if you make a mistake, if you have a penalty and be honest, we're on the same team.
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Ryan Harris
Y'all wouldn't care either. What happens next? That's all you can focus on. And for me, you had a defense that gave up some gains in the run game. Marcus Mariota was trying to change the narrative of his career against the Broncos. And it didn't happen. So you have players who are making mistakes, willing to play through it and willing to perform at a high level after mistakes.
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Ryan Harris
That's how you win in life and football.
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Shelby Harris
It's still not right, though. Watching Von Miller play against the Broncos, it just doesn't feel right bad. Just like those days where I saw Chris in the Chargers uniform. Yeah come on it's the Broncos. You know that just doesn't feel right. And that's okay I know a lot of Broncos country feels the same way. And that bond is extremely loved.
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Shelby Harris
But you know it never feel right watching the Von play against the Broncos. You know what I mean that that's just something that will never sit right with me.
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Chris Harris Jr
Yeah. And I thought he played a hell of a game. You know he brought a lot of pressure. Whenever he did get in he did cause some disruption. Bo Nix definitely knew where he was. Yes, because he was definitely. I admired, just watching that game. He had a great awareness. And I think von is the reason why he threw that pit.
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Chris Harris Jr
Right. If you watch it and you see him, he was bringing that pressure up the middle. I really don't think Bo Nix even seeing Bobby Wagner. I don't think he's seen him at all. And that's because that pressure up front but so he still was able to make an impact somehow in the game. And still you know, so, so they can get some pass rush in there.
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Chris Harris Jr
But hopefully he can get that five sacks getting that top ten. You know that's going to be hard to get. But Nick Benito man being the first Dan or first rusher to have post double digit sacks since Von and Simon Fletcher at that, Elvis don't reveal was on there.
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Ryan Harris
I thought he was on there too. Yeah. But this time since since 2014 when von did it, I mean, and look. Yeah, that's hard to do because the minute you get one season, two double digit sacks. Now, coordinators are sending running backs, you're chip and 100% in is, ten times more difficult to do it a second time.
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Ryan Harris
Once you've proven to the NFL you can do it. You know, and the thing to what I can tell you is you're right, Chris. He probably heard von, because von is the only defensive end that I played against that will talk during the rush. He'll be like, I'm coming to get you. And are you. He'll laugh and you're like, is he laughing in the play?
00:16:51:26 - 00:16:58:18
Ryan Harris
Right? So no question Bo Nix heard von. If not fell to him and got rid of that football. You're right Chris.
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Chris Harris Jr
Yeah. And it was just a good overall game if you're a fan of football. That was a great game. It definitely kept me up. But let's get to the third down, man. We're getting the third down. The divisional races are getting very tight from all around the board. Now I'm seeing the bears at number one in the NFC right now right.
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Chris Harris Jr
But let's go to the AFC North. Let's go to Shelby's division right. We know the AFC West is pretty much sewed up. Broncos look like they got that on lock. AFC South is still we think the Colts are going to lock that up right. But AFC North right is still open. Why why the Bengals wide open. Even y'all tell me if y'all win the rest out y'all still have a chance to make it right.
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Chris Harris Jr
Which is crazy. So how do y'all feel? Who do y'all think is going to come out on top in the AFC North?
00:17:42:29 - 00:17:49:26
Shelby Harris
The Cleveland Browns, maybe the Cleveland Browns. Oh yeah. You already.
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Chris Harris Jr
Know.
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Shelby Harris
We going to make a run. We're going to make a run and going to be last. You know the last five games of the year we're going to make a run. We're going to put our best foot forward. And obviously for us you know and for us to make it and then for us to win this division, a lot of stuff is going to have to happen in our favor.
00:18:07:18 - 00:18:13:21
Shelby Harris
But I believe in those guys in the locker room. And yeah, this may sound biased because it is like, that's what I was.
00:18:13:24 - 00:18:16:12
Ryan Harris
You get to be you get to be biased right now.
00:18:16:18 - 00:18:32:12
Shelby Harris
Like I'm going to be because I believe in those guys in our locker room. I believe I believe in everything that they know that we stand for. So we're going to go out there and we gonna put our best foot forward the next five games. And two of those games are against division foes. We got to go play the Bengals and we got to play the Steelers again.
00:18:32:14 - 00:18:52:06
Shelby Harris
The Steelers are already in a little bit of, you know, disarray right now with quarterback and receivers and Titans out on the same page. And and you know and Rodgers calling out receivers and and not you know not knowing the calls Geno Smith don't know the call. And and so this is it's a perfect situation for us because nobody really expects anything from us.
00:18:52:06 - 00:19:08:15
Shelby Harris
So we can go out there and really surprise some folks and, and really go out there and, and put our best foot forward. So I'ma believe in us. I'm gonna believe in the Cleveland Browns. But if I have to say a second team, a second team. Do not forget about those Baltimore Ravens. Lamar Jackson is healthy.
00:19:08:18 - 00:19:24:25
Shelby Harris
And that's all I got to say about that. And it's going to you know it should put fear into your bones Lamar Jackson's healthy and the Ravens are still tied for first place. So yeah that that's scary. And and that's the team I guess other than the Cleveland Browns I'd have to worry about for the AFC North.
00:19:24:27 - 00:19:42:08
Ryan Harris
Look, we've seen this movie before though. I mean, and I'm talking about the Cincinnati Bengals, who went on a tear last year at the end of the season. And look that's a team. The Bengals to me. They get that spot. They win the AFC North. That's that's the team that you gotta beat in the playoffs. That's going to be very very hard.
00:19:42:10 - 00:20:01:20
Ryan Harris
Now if the Ravens don't win the division they have to win their first playoff game. I understand that there's been injury to Lamar Jackson. That can't be the excuse for years in a row. Right. That wasn't the excuse for why you only rush Derrick Henry. You know, I think it was 11 times in the AFC championship game.
00:20:01:20 - 00:20:16:15
Ryan Harris
Like there's there are problems in Baltimore that to be honest, Lamar Jackson's covering up. So to me that's the team under the most pressure is the Ravens. But to me I think you're going to see the Bengals just keep climbing up there. Unless you do something about it.
00:20:16:15 - 00:20:34:21
Chris Harris Jr
Shelby I think the Steelers they they have to make the playoffs. I think Tomlin has to make it. Yeah. All righty. Calling for his job to fire Mike Tomlin er and Rodgers this is his this is it right I don't think you'll be a backup role or you'll be retired. You know if you don't make the playoffs.
00:20:34:24 - 00:20:37:15
Chris Harris Jr
That's kind of how it goes in the NFL.
00:20:37:17 - 00:20:46:21
Shelby Harris
The receivers are you saying, are you saying if the Pittsburgh Steelers don't make the playoffs, that Mike Tomlin is going to be gone?
00:20:46:24 - 00:21:05:24
Chris Harris Jr
Yeah, I believe so. I think they they're pretty much fed up with them there. The whole stadium was cheering for it in the game. Right. The Bengals. So they've and this has been up for question the past three years. Right. Even though he's had that he's at least made the playoffs. But they haven't had a playoff win.
00:21:05:26 - 00:21:22:17
Chris Harris Jr
And and that's been the main issue. So I can see him. He's on the hot hot seat. The Ravens now I think I'm kind of against you on this one Ryan I think Lamar Jackson isn't playing as well right now. And maybe he is trying to do too much and cover up for the rest of the guys.
00:21:22:17 - 00:21:42:08
Chris Harris Jr
But they're not running the football. Well they're not running with consistency Derrick Henry he's only averaging like 15 to 10 carries a game. He's not he's not they're not riding him like that over there. They they don't have a true number one receiver. Zay Flowers is very inconsistent. Likely. I do like likely he's a good tight end.
00:21:42:10 - 00:21:51:16
Chris Harris Jr
But right now, man, if I'm saying I'm scared, if I was going to choose a team, I might have to go with the Bengals. Even though I hate that defense. The best offense out there.
00:21:51:16 - 00:21:52:01
Shelby Harris
It's oh.
00:21:52:03 - 00:21:53:19
Ryan Harris
Joe Burrow, baby.
00:21:53:21 - 00:22:00:26
Chris Harris Jr
They got the best offense with tee, Higgins and Chase. They can go on a tear right now. So if I had to choose one I would have to say the Bengals.
00:22:00:26 - 00:22:13:15
Shelby Harris
Right now I just what it needs to be said though that this Pittsburgh Steelers team a month and a half ago was in a real good position to win the AFC North.
00:22:13:17 - 00:22:14:14
Chris Harris Jr
Yeah.
00:22:14:16 - 00:22:35:22
Shelby Harris
Lamar Jackson was hurt. The Browns were struggling. Joe Burrow was hurt. They did nothing to help themselves. And I think that's a bigger story that no one's really talking about is how the Steelers did nothing to extend their lead in the AFC North. And now they are tied with the Baltimore Ravens for first one.
00:22:35:22 - 00:22:58:07
Ryan Harris
It's the second year in a row that the Steelers had success but weren't able to finish. Right. And, I love Mike Tomlin playing for him. Guys you would love him. He is so consistent. He's so honest with players. I was really lucky to play for him. And and we can see when an organization, when the fans are starting to be unhappy, the organization is kind of getting the same result.
00:22:58:15 - 00:23:16:15
Ryan Harris
You know, people are calling for his job. Now, what's interesting to me, how come they're not doing that to Harbaugh at the Ravens? I don't know what could be the difference between Harbaugh and Coach Tom, right. So at the end of the day, you're still at the top of this division. If you're the Steelers, you have a chance to win.
00:23:16:18 - 00:23:33:29
Ryan Harris
It's kind of like what the Philadelphia Eagles say what you want about how they're losing their in the lead of their division by two games. All right. They're going to be just fine okay. And but the Steelers need to prove that as well. But to me it's it's inconsistent how you have a team in the Steelers that people are calling for Mike Tomlin's job.
00:23:33:29 - 00:23:36:26
Ryan Harris
But nobody's calling for Harbaugh's job I don't get that.
00:23:36:28 - 00:23:56:06
Shelby Harris
Yeah. You got you've been harping even harping on it for a little bit. Now I'm saying no, watch out for that Baltimore job. You know? But Harbaugh has been struggling a little bit. And you're right, though, because when you even had an MVP and Lamar Jackson, when you've had all these great years of Lamar, and then you have to add their game into the mix, they have nothing to show for it.
00:23:56:06 - 00:24:14:12
Shelby Harris
But man, I always say the grass is always greener and I always try to tell a lie. I tell people that all the time and and it's always based off a different situations. But this is, I think, especially one the grass is not always greener. Sometimes it's better just to love yours and then to want to go out there and chase somebody else.
00:24:14:12 - 00:24:38:19
Shelby Harris
And so, you know, I, I get it, you know, we're, we're, we're in a production based business and where they're not getting, they're not producing. But sometimes, you know, just making it to the playoffs is good enough because you switch coaches and you try to change your whole regime. Now you're talking about number one picks every year. So I always I say the grass is not always greener.
00:24:38:21 - 00:24:57:06
Chris Harris Jr
I can see Mike Tomlin coaching for the Browns next year. I can see oh wow I can see like that. Right. Because I don't I think Stefanski is by by time right. I think he's gone. Right. He's been getting ready to exit. So we can't comment. Don't comment.
00:24:57:06 - 00:25:16:22
Shelby Harris
I love I love that and know that I, I will always tell you like Kevin Stefanski is one of my favorite people. He always will be. Now, no matter like where I'm at or anything like that. Kevin Stefanski added three years on to my career, he took me in and, he's letting me be myself. He's really, you know, I, I love I'm all for Kevin Stefanski and I always will be.
00:25:16:22 - 00:25:20:04
Shelby Harris
So what I never hear, you're never hear me say anything negative about that.
00:25:20:06 - 00:25:32:22
Ryan Harris
Give us an example. Something that happened that we didn't see, whether it's like, is he breakfast with you all mean Chris, you know, Gary Kubiak used to sit with us and do different stuff, but what's Kevin Stefanski do that endears his players to him?
00:25:32:24 - 00:25:52:24
Shelby Harris
Well, I for me and just being a parent like me and Kevin talk a lot about our families. And I think one of the big reasons why I really love the Browns organization in the first place is when, after I left Seattle that year, I had a visit. They said a visit to come check out Cleveland and the Browns.
00:25:52:24 - 00:26:12:13
Shelby Harris
And then the first thing I saw was like, does your wife want to come? And for me, that meant I'd. I'd never heard of really anyone's wives joining them on a free agent visit. You know, I mean, so I was like, for me, that was like a big deal. And just. Kevin's always made me feel like family, and he's always made me feel like I'm not crazy.
00:26:12:16 - 00:26:24:26
Shelby Harris
He's like. I'm like, he's a. He was a very good listener, and I just. And I always feel like I can always go and talk to him if I need to. You know, if it's about family, it's about football. You know, I just feel like Kev has always been someone.
00:26:24:26 - 00:26:26:03
Ryan Harris
Who.
00:26:26:05 - 00:26:43:24
Shelby Harris
I could go to, you know? And and I appreciate that because I know a lot of coaches and a lot of head coaches, they don't have that approachability, you know, like they everyone would talk about how the door is always open, but is it really, you know, in like in the end, like it's like the door is open, but it's like there's cobwebs over there.
00:26:43:24 - 00:27:02:06
Shelby Harris
Like nobody's been through that door in a long time. So it's just, you know, I always will appreciate Kevin just because of all the times that was that we spent together, and and just, who he is as a person and just how important and how loved he's made my family feel being a Cleveland Browns.
00:27:02:08 - 00:27:29:06
Ryan Harris
Well, on the opposite side of that, let's go to fourth down because we have Lane Kiffin. That's leaving a playoff team to go to LSU. Don't ever talk about players transferring not playing in the bowl games. Lane Kiffin made sure those conversations are over forever. Guys what do you make about Lane Kiffin leaving Ole Miss to go to LSU?
00:27:29:08 - 00:27:40:15
Chris Harris Jr
I love it. I think it's a smart decision. I think when you when you're recruiting and when I was a kid, I would never say, hey, I wish I can. I dreamed of going to Ole Miss, right.
00:27:40:16 - 00:27:43:06
Ryan Harris
Oh he's like, oh man.
00:27:43:08 - 00:27:47:24
Chris Harris Jr
But you know, kids want to they want to go to LSU, Alabama, Ohio State.
00:27:47:27 - 00:27:48:15
Ryan Harris
Notre Dame.
00:27:48:15 - 00:27:53:10
Chris Harris Jr
You know that's not bad. And oh we can't hit they. You know what I mean Wisconsin.
00:27:53:12 - 00:27:56:08
Shelby Harris
Wisconsin Illinois state those.
00:27:56:11 - 00:28:10:10
Chris Harris Jr
You know they want to go there. So this is not this is a smart decision by him I understand the ramifications of his team being a college football Playoff team. I think it was reported that he did ask if he could stay in coach during this time, you know.
00:28:10:10 - 00:28:13:28
Shelby Harris
No, I would never have been. That's don't know. That's a prime recruiting.
00:28:13:28 - 00:28:15:25
Chris Harris Jr
Time is allowed. It is.
00:28:15:27 - 00:28:26:18
Ryan Harris
Allowed. That's like breaking up would have. Yeah Tulane did. Yeah. But that's like breaking off an engagement saying can we still go on a honeymoon? Hell no man, you can't do that to me.
00:28:26:21 - 00:28:46:03
Chris Harris Jr
Right? Yes, yes. Right. So that that can kind of cover him up from a little backlash. But I mean, it's a no brainer going to LSU. They gotta have their their campus down there is, is is amazing. The atmosphere there is going to be is just always top notch. Death Valley kids dream about going to Louisiana.
00:28:46:03 - 00:29:09:20
Chris Harris Jr
The pipeline is on another level. Oh, Mississippi pipeline or Louisiana Pipeline. We're going to go with Louisiana all day. What are you talking? Dogs, athletes. Right. So, this is smart all the way around, and it's. You can't pass up that money, man. Seven year, 91 million, oh 72 buyout. If he they get fired. So it's just a win win financially for him.
00:29:09:20 - 00:29:17:00
Chris Harris Jr
And it's just he's going to a place that's going to have more dogs. And he can't now like you said what can kids do now.
00:29:17:03 - 00:29:19:26
Ryan Harris
You're where everything the answers, everything.
00:29:20:00 - 00:29:26:27
Chris Harris Jr
We can bring the whole squad right to the purple and go yeah. So at the end of the day, it's a win win for me if I'm him.
00:29:27:00 - 00:29:51:01
Shelby Harris
Man, this is the tough part. I guess. Is not Lane Kevin's fault that the hiring period is right now doing during the right before the College Football Playoff. Hey, you offered me seven years, 90 million. I'm instantly thinking that's money for my grandkids, that's Delamar. And that's on top of everything he's made already. That's generational kids that don't even know who the hell he is.
00:29:51:01 - 00:29:52:27
Shelby Harris
We'll be like, thanks, great grandpa.
00:29:53:02 - 00:29:54:23
Chris Harris Jr
This is why we're today.
00:29:54:26 - 00:30:13:19
Shelby Harris
Like, you know, so like, no matter what people say, man, you got you have to make that jump. Like, and then like, if you make a $5 million pay pay raise, you got to make that job, man. And I get it. Well, you want to say stay in, coach. That's the commendable thing you know, you want to lead your guys to the last, you know, to the last game.
00:30:13:19 - 00:30:27:09
Shelby Harris
But man, it's over. You left like you don't mean like this. Let's take take that check in and go on about rules and and enjoy that purple and gold. But like I want to the biggest thing though is, is what's getting lost in this is it just sucks for the kids.
00:30:27:10 - 00:30:28:06
Ryan Harris
Thank you. Yeah.
00:30:28:07 - 00:30:47:01
Shelby Harris
And I think that's what's getting lost in this whole thing is it sucks for the kids because they earned all of this and nobody's talking about them. They earned the every step of the way of they they beat teams in the SEC. They position themselves to go to the College Football Playoff. They did that not in LA, not Lane Kiffin.
00:30:47:01 - 00:31:07:23
Shelby Harris
They did that. And now they lose their coach. And now everyone's automatically assuming they're going to lose. It's all over for them. Nobody has any favorite moments anymore without Lane Kiffin. And that's not right. Because they did that. They had like Lane Kiffin did not do that. That was them. So I believe in no mess. But granted Chris is right.
00:31:07:25 - 00:31:22:15
Shelby Harris
Nobody really dreams are going to Ole Miss LSU from Mississippi. Look I think that like everybody really dreams of going to Ole Miss. This is not this is not the blind side. But it's not the blind side is not what's happening here. People don't look like so like I don't even know why people like to go to Alabama.
00:31:22:15 - 00:31:40:27
Shelby Harris
That's the most random town in the world. But once again, they play. Lane Kiffin did what he's supposed to do. He leveled up. He, secured the bag for his family. So it's pretty damn damn much. You can be mad about. But I am sad for those kids though, because they deserve better. But you know, I'm gonna be rooting for him the whole way, though.
00:31:40:29 - 00:32:07:25
Ryan Harris
I can't believe it, but I disagree vehemently with both of you. We. The biggest issue for me with Lane Kiffin, you have a coach who has a chance to win a national championship saying, I'm going to leave. If a player did that, if a star quarterback was on a playoff team with a legitimate chance to win a national championship, perhaps change the dreams of young children everywhere, who would want to go to Ole Miss?
00:32:07:27 - 00:32:22:23
Ryan Harris
We would destroy that player in the media. That player would be persona non grata. But a coach does it and we're okay. Come on fellas, I mean, the kids that were lied to and you and I, all the three of us know half of those kids aren't coming with them to LSU.
00:32:22:23 - 00:32:23:29
Shelby Harris
No, not even half of them.
00:32:23:29 - 00:32:42:01
Ryan Harris
Like our you know. So he's going to cut half his team. Those guys got to stay in Mississippi with who wants that job. So I mean I just think this is incredibly terrible on many levels. I think LSU could have done a far better job of holding the news. And Lane Kiffin, you could be a month away from announcing.
00:32:42:01 - 00:32:57:10
Ryan Harris
So I just think if a player did this, people would lose their minds. And I don't care that he's getting a lot of money. You don't do this to players who you set in their living room and told their parents you were going to coach them to a national championship, and now you got the chance and you left.
00:32:57:16 - 00:32:59:04
Ryan Harris
Come on, man, that's cowardice.
00:32:59:04 - 00:33:04:13
Shelby Harris
Well, if a player didn't do it, you know, that's when that means we got to chill out on them too.
00:33:04:15 - 00:33:05:01
Ryan Harris
You know what I mean?
00:33:05:01 - 00:33:16:17
Shelby Harris
Like, in the end, I guess that's where the media bias kind of comes into. We give coaches passes on stuff like this, but then we double down on players when they decide to make a business decision.
00:33:16:19 - 00:33:17:10
Chris Harris Jr
Right.
00:33:17:12 - 00:33:40:21
Shelby Harris
You know, I mean but then we see a situation and Chris does it like a Jake butt situation where you're supposed to be a first round tight end. You you mess up your knee and you never realize that potential that you're supposed to have there and you lost out on that earning potential. So I'm just saying, just like Ryan said, though, I do agree, if we're going to let this be okay for the coaches, I don't want to hear any of that for the players ever.
00:33:40:24 - 00:34:02:06
Chris Harris Jr
Right. That's why they should always be player first, right? If you're a player, then you're you got to treat this like NFL, right? As an NFL, as a professional football player, anything can happen, right. So you got to make sure that you're covering yourself with Danielle and your scholarship and to be able to make those properly moves, because a lot of these kids, they signed 18 month deals, they can't even transfer anyways.
00:34:02:08 - 00:34:20:17
Chris Harris Jr
Right. So you got to make sure you have the right situation set in for you. And and then the NCAA, you have a transfer portal period and the end of December and January. Right. So then if guys don't want to play there what are they doing anyways. In the transfer portal. It's right before the college football playoffs.
00:34:20:20 - 00:34:34:08
Chris Harris Jr
So you have a coaching change, era in this in this time period and player change. So what can they do? They got to be find a way to push it back somehow. Yeah, but it's hard to push it back because guess when they roll and got to start school.
00:34:34:09 - 00:34:36:09
Shelby Harris
You gotta do Wednesday. That's when the semester.
00:34:36:15 - 00:34:56:26
Chris Harris Jr
You gotta win a semester. So I don't know how they're going to be able to change this, but we need some change. Right. It's going to we're going to have issues like this every year. As long as, the college football is set up this way. We got to figure out if we can move the transfer portal back, sometime and still allow the kid to enroll in school.
00:34:56:27 - 00:34:57:09
Ryan Harris
Yeah.
00:34:57:15 - 00:35:17:27
Chris Harris Jr
You know, some type of different ideas of which they can't do. But this is this is a major issue is beyond Lane Kiffin, right? It's really an NCAA issue. Yeah. It is sad for, the kids, definitely for the kids. And I got I got some boys over there. I got a kid, went to my school in high school, Luke has another kid I work with.
00:35:17:27 - 00:35:36:20
Chris Harris Jr
I've been working with him since he's a kid. Jalen Braxton that starts safety over there. So I, I kind of see I hear the see the effects from it. And they did love Lane Kiffin. They came to Ole Miss because of Lane given. So this situation does suck. But if we're talking about Lane Kiffin in this situation you got to take that deal.
00:35:36:20 - 00:35:37:17
Chris Harris Jr
You got to take.
00:35:37:19 - 00:35:47:03
Ryan Harris
But here's my question though. Does Lane Kiffin want to win when he leaves a team that has a chance to win a championship, can he look people in the eye and say I want to win.
00:35:47:05 - 00:36:09:28
Shelby Harris
Nobody get paid. That's like that. That's what you have to be honest about. I want to give the number one thing for me as a head coach is I want to get paid and financially taken care of for my what I did. So we got to stop acting like that's the number one thing for them is a national championship, because it's not like you said though if it was, he'd still be a don't miss right now.
00:36:10:00 - 00:36:21:00
Ryan Harris
Well, that that's this week's episode of the Harrises. Make sure to like, subscribe, share all the things. We hope you have a happy holidays and we'll be here with you through it. With the best football talk in the nation.